"There comes a point where we need to stop just pulling people out of the river. We need to go upstream and find out why they're falling in."
"In most, when you go to church, most churches when they have images of the good shepherd, they show Jesus carrying a nice fluffy lamb. Now fluffy little lambs don't stray from their mommy's. The sheep that will stray is the most obstreperous, troublesome one."
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