"Its unfortunate and I really wish I wouldn't have to say this, but I really like human beings who have suffered. They're kinder."
"But certainly in Uganda, Mozambique and South Africa, people don't really talk about sex and certainly religious leaders - some of them - up to now have been very unwilling to accept, for instance, the promotion of condom use"
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Source: Interview with Andrew Marr, news.bbc.co.uk. March 28, 2010.
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